Fri 9 Feb 2007
Brother David Hogan has been the most influential person in my life when it comes to the gospel. He is a missionary to Mexico where he says he has personally been in on 28 people being raised from the dead, and his ministry "Freedom Ministries" has reported over 400 people total. He says that’s great but there are thousands who haven’t gotten up. His experiences and boldness has encouraged me to a great degree.
This audio clip is one of my favorites. He teaches how to obey Jesus in Matthew 10:7,8. "Go, preach the Kingdom of Heaven is here, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out devils and cleanse the lepers". You’ll love this audio.
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March 18th, 2007 at 6:40 pm
I would like to go to freedom ministries in mexico to work with brother David Hogan
March 19th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
I know that David keeps things pretty tight. I think the best way to get involved would be try to catch David at a meeting and talk to him or one of the other guys he runs with.
I know it’s not the easiest thing to get involved in. If you listen to more of his messages he’ll talk about people coming to join his work.
If you feel God wants you there, go for it. But if it’s just a passing thought that there really isn’t an unction for, I’d probably hold off.
Paul
March 26th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
We are planning a mission trip to Mexico & would like assistance do you know if Bro. David or someone from his ministry would assist us with where would be a good place to visit and what is some of the most needed things for that area. Thanks
Sharmon
March 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
You’d have to contact Freedom Ministries.
But, Jason Woodrow at http://www.fuegodedios.com/ might know a little more information for you, although I can’t guarantee it.
If you want more David Hogan quotables you can check out my other blog: http://www.paulferree.com/blog/category/christian/david-hogan
March 31st, 2007 at 11:19 pm
I just love David Hogan and have been listening to his messages for 2yrs now. Being called to the mission field, and in the learning/training process his messages really inspire and increases my hunger to go.
Brother Paul, I’m not sure if you have heard all of his messages,but let me suggest you to visit http://www.fathersglory.com. They follow all of David Hogans ministry and calendar of his events. Once there, scroll down to where is says “Great Messages” {Hogans pic is on the right) and click on “more Hogan messages” and you be able to hear his messages from 1991-2006. They also have pictures of him ministering in Mexico. Anyway, thanks and please keep me in prayer during this time of preperation.
March 31st, 2007 at 11:23 pm
OOpps forgot to provide my web page address.
Be Blessed!
March 31st, 2007 at 11:24 pm
http://360.yahoo.com/fellowshipcafe
April 6th, 2007 at 9:45 am
Hello David Hogan when will you be coming back to New Zealand. You came to Taumarunui a small town and hope that one day you will return PLEASE! If you ever get this message please reply to my email. Thank you.
April 15th, 2007 at 4:56 am
I spent a lot of time with Freedom Ministries. I heard Hogan use the S-word, G–D—, used the n-word, called his wife a witch, called his wife a dummy, called his wife and idiot, called his wife jezebel, slapped his adopted daughter darla, hit his adopted son, hit his dog, told a story of beating a black guy up and making him lick urine from a toilet, talked about women’s bodies in graphic detail while laughing with his friends, he called my wife and my friend’s wife p—-ies, and he only spent two weeks in Mexico. He travels around the world telling others what his crew has done. None of these stories which he tells were substantiated. There are about two thousand christian indians and these are the ones who are responsible for the power of God which is not anything beyond what you see in American churches. I have also caught him telling numerous lies. He is able to lie without any trouble. when he prays he just calls God to curse his enemies. There is no sign of love in his prayers. Everyone talks bad about him and his high up missionaries when they are not around. They are total hypocrits.
April 17th, 2007 at 2:33 am
Well, here’s the deal, you could be right, and you could be lying. Just as someone doubts whether what David says is true or not, it’s all pretty much a matter of hearsay for those that aren’t directly involved.
So, here’s what it comes down to. You could be telling the truth, or you could be lying. David Hogan could be telling the truth, or he could be lying. I’ll never know on either case. All I have is the audio I’ve heard. And, from that audio, my faith and walk with the Lord has grown stronger and stronger. Whether what David is saying is true or not, it’s helped my walk with God. David’s testimonies has drawn me closer to Jesus.
So, if he is lying, it still doesn’t change the fact of what has happened as a result in my life. From my standpoint, it’s only encouraged and pushed me further into the kingdom…maybe it would be different if I worked with him.
Lying or not, I’m stronger because of him. Maybe it’s a perfect case God using what Satan meant for evil for His ultimate good. I won’t know for a while I’m sure.
The audio I’ve captured are standalone faith encouragements. Even if he is lying, he’s giving a pretty good picture of what a real christian should be doing.
Here’s a new one…I always have people say “There isn’t one single shred of proof that David Hogan does what he says he does.”, in the same sense I could ask you to prove your claims above. It’s just one man’s word against another.
What it all comes down to is what is drawing me closer to Jesus…for the past 2 and half years, these teachings from David has.
I’m sorry if what you said is true, it is truely unfortunate. But until I have reason otherwise, I’ll still post audio. I don’t intend on offending you.
Thanks Paul,
Paul Ferree
April 17th, 2007 at 10:31 am
I also was impacted big time by Brother David’s preaching. I heard about Brother David from my friend who went to Brownsville. I started fasting and praying all the time. I finally got lucky and got to go down to Brother David’s on a trip. I wound up being a missionary there for almost three years. The reason why Brother David is not good for the church of Jesus is that Brother David is in it for glory and money. He loves being praised. He is like a big kid. He needs attention from everyone. He dreams of books being written about him. He has a house in Texas that no one can go in. He never used to be like that before. The rumors we heard from a few who saw a bit of it is that it is super rich. He has everything in there. That is where he lives year round. He is not a missionary.
The fundamental importance for the preacher is holiness. It is to do what you say. Brother David is a TOTAL hypocrite. Brother David does not pray. He does not fast. He never fasted a day that I was with him. He eats a ton of food all the time. He has destroyed so many missionaries it is crazy. There were plenty of churches before he came down in 77 and stole them. People should listen to preachers like Leonard Ravenhill and Steve Hill. You should not waste time with liars like Brother David. You should not feel like you have to live up to what he says. There are miracles in Mexico. But they are nothing NOTHING like what David says. They do not raise the dead. They have good charismatic services like you see at any church in America. There are a couple thousand Indians who are saved. These are the ones who bring the power. David is a total hindrance.
People need to do what Leonard Ravenhill says. Find a hero who is real. There are real men of God out there. David Hogan is not one of them.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:32 am
Here is some evidence to show how close I was to him Paul. Brother Jeff who spends way more time in Mexico than anyone in all of the work has never seen a dead raising. Brother Jeff’s dog is a purebred pit bull from Pensacola. The dog’s name is Dippy. Brother ___ ran over an India last year while backing up in his truck. Brother Britt moved from Tempoal, Veracruz to Puebla after he messed up with some of the new missionaries students. Brother Hogan stole his churches from World Indigenous Missions. He did it by accusing a man of adultery. He then took the leader’s position and drove off the competition. If you want to see him freak out ask him- “What happened with WIM?” He will get so angry I heard a new missionary do this and he got so evasive. One missionary who later became a big player in Peru missions said, “He would anything to be the best, ANYTHING”. Hogan believes women can not preach. He only tells his full time missionaries this belief. Ask him if you want to know I am telling the truth. He was always trying to flirt with our wives too. My wife cried for the first year she was in Mexico. But you can not even talk to his wife more than a little. When you do everyone watches you. He offered Brother Brad his daughter in exchange for American churches to support him. That is why Brad went to work with Paul in Oaxaca. A guy who came after me named Darin was told that he would get a free honeymoon. Then Brother David calls it off right before he gets married. He left him high and dry without being able to make wedding plans. He did this to test Darin. Another guy who came down around the time I did was named Marco. The missionaries made his life a living hell. He lost his wife and was told he had to leave. Another life destroyed by Hogan. Hogan also stays up late watching satellite television. He skips past the nudity. He is the only one allowed to have a television. He lives in Texas year round. You can almost always reach him there. He comes to Mexico less than a month per year, although some years he was there more so that he could spend more time manipulating the political atmosphere. He did not get thrown out of Mexico because he was “saving men’s souls from a burning hell”. He was thrown out because he and his buddies back in the 80s used to throw fire crackers at gay people. They also blew up television and radio sets with their super amped radios. They would drive around like mad men making everyone angry. That’s why they lost their visas for a while. He likes Catahoulas more than pit bulls because Catahoulas won’t attack your family. He is afraid of keeping pit bulls. He, his son, and his son in law are terrible at football. He forced Paul Brill to leave by moving him from his area, all the way three hours north. So Paul had to travel an extra six hours each day to do work. He screws with people all the time for no apparent reason. So Paul could never see his family. Paul finally got so mad that he stopped going to service. He had some good words to say when he left. He chewed us out. I should have left then too. Brother Greg who was a missionary there for over 17 years told his son that he did not want him working for Brother David. The language school he sends his missionaries to is in El Carmen Mexico. It is north of Monterrey. When Brother Tim first came down to Mexico he made him buy him a light pole on his Mexican ranch. He works out on a bow flex. He makes fun of “idiot Americans” every second he is not in front of them. When he goes to America he is so positive all acting like a Grand Daddy. Ask him about his run in with Pat Robertson. He once stood up a whole section of churches in Tlachichilco. He promised them big meetings and didn’t even show up. Brother Shawn is the one that does not drink. He keeps drinking a big secret. Brother Shawn won’t touch the stuff. You can go ask about this stuff. Only someone who has been down there for years knows about this stuff. I WAS DOWN THERE A LONG TIME!
April 17th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
I’m sorry Paul. It seems like it was definitely a bad experience for you.
Here’s what I have to do on my end. Do I keep the audio up and continue to listen to David Hogan or do I take it off based on what you said.
Like I mentioned before, I will never know if what you’re saying is true or not, I’ll never know if what David is saying is true or not. I’m sure you can find a few folks that would talk bad about me if you wanted too. As I’m sure I could find the same about you. It’s true of anybody.
I’ve heard David talk about how mean he is, I’ve even heard him say that he cusses, I think some of the things he says is harsh and crude at times and I don’t know if I would say the same thing. But I’ve heard on numerous, countless, almost every audio message, where he points people to Jesus rather than himself. This doesn’t mean you’re lying or that I believe he’s some perfect person. All I have is the audio I’ve heard, and it’s good, not because of David Hogan, but because of the character it’s built in me. If I found out that everything you said was true, and that David was a complete liar and hypocrite I would still move on and be strong in faith because it doesn’t rest on him. Oh well, another leader isn’t what I thought he was…move on, I’ll take note and do my best not to make the same mistakes.
The teaching in this audio clip “How To Go” is good, whether David Hogan is a liar or not. It’s still great information, and it’s still encouraging. Even if David Hogan isn’t living up to his own word, someone should.
Does that make sense Paul? I don’t want to disrespect you in anyway. I don’t want to blow you off as some Hogan basher (I’ve seen plenty of those). I agree, Leonard Ravenhill is awesome as well, but I’m sure you could find some people that talk bad about him too. Someone that had some unfortunate relationship issues. Probably even some that would say he’s a liar. We all have those. Perspective dictates the majority of what we know and feel rather than true heart intent.
My perspective of David Hogan is not the same as yours, so we’ll receive things differently from him. You’re probably at the point where you can’t listen to anything without feeling hurt or even anger. But when I listen it produces faith…even if it’s based off of wrong information. It still makes me enter the presence of the Lord more, fast more, read my bible more, etc. Which is what really matters.
When I listen to this audio clip “How To Go”, it makes me want to go out and preach the gospel. What you wrote doesn’t.
There’s a process to a growing wheat plant. The stock is completely worthless at the time of harvest, it has zero value in itself. What makes it valuable is it’s purpose in the process, to bring the wheat grain closer to the sun, it provides protection and strength to the plant until the wheat is ready to be harvested. Maybe David Hogan is part of the stock for me…just like Hank Hanegraff used to be, the same with R.C. Sproul, down through Creflo Dollar and the other Word Of Faith crew. They all had their part to play in the development of my faith. And even though I might not listen to them now doesn’t mean they aren’t helping to bring other people closer to the son. Even if what they say is in error or their character is faulty from my perspective (which is not the case, I’m just making a point). The error comes when we rest on men and put our faith in them. Because if they fall, we fall with them, but if our faith is independent upon other men and if we’re going after Jesus alone and Him alone, we’ll be ok in the end.
Hope that all makes sense Paul. Please don’t take offense, it’s not intended.
Paul Ferree
April 18th, 2007 at 6:12 am
I think you will find what I am saying has the ring of truth. I gave a balanced view of his work. I said there were real Christians in the Indian Churches. I did not bash him in any way that you hear others. I told you a long list of things you can find out from just a quick trip to his work. That is the evidence that shows what I am saying is true.
You can not find people that say Leonard Ravenhill cusses at his wife and beats his kids in the face. You can not find people who watched movies with Leonard Ravenhill. You can not find people that can tell you every detail about things that only an insider would know. You can find people who say that stuff about Benny Hinn and Creflo Dollar. Sure anyone can make up stuff about someone, but I think you can tell that I am not just a crazy person who hates David because “everyone knows miracles are evil”. I really liked him. I thought it was good what he was doing. I gave him years to show what he was about. He is a total and complete fraud.
There are a lot of things which do not make me want to go and preach, yet are extremely important. What I am saying is extremely important, and saying that it does not make you want to go and preach is to totally sidestep the issue. We need to slow things down and really think about what we believe. There is a big difference between R.C. Sproll and Creflo dollar. I hope I don’t have to explain that.
Your argument is that the message David preaches can still edify us and motivate us to do what is right. But then you should find someone who was motivated to go out and do this for real. Then get the real guy’s tapes to listen to. Maybe you should listen to Paul Brill. Paul is actually a missionary. This is the reason I said listen to Ravenhill. I knew someone who was with Ravenhill for years and she said he was the most gentle and kind man she ever met. This is the woman who used to clean his house. Try to find someone like that for David. I promise you it can’t be done. Well, Hogan’s wife who gets constantly screamed at would say it, but that is just because she is so severely tramatized.
I don’t feel hurt and anger toward David. I feel disappointment. I oftentimes can’t help laughing when I listen to him, which is about once a year. He used to laugh about how he pulled one over on the “idiot Americans”. I should put up some of the David Hogan quotes no one has heard of. I think you would be pretty disappointed.
We have endless examples of good men of God throughout history. There is Wesley, Finney, Edwards, Spurgeon, Whitefield, etc. These men not only motivate, but they also have amazing minds. They can give you an intellectual understanding which is a far greater motivator to do what Christ said. So I agree with what you said completely that we should put our faith in Christ and not a man. However, leaders should be trustworthy. We have to trust someone, so let’s trust those who we are justified in trusting. We are not justified in trusting Creflo Dollar. For very different reasons we can not trust Hogan. We can trust Ravenhill and Edwards. We need teachers.
April 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Hello MR. Ferree
I have read all of the most recent postings regarding Mr. Hogan. Paul, I was disappointed by leaders myself so I can relate with you in some ways. I was in a church split where among many other things my Senior Pastor was exposed of treating his wife, his Pastoral Staff, etc like garbage. I was very hurt because I always spoke highly of him and invited many people to our church and so on. However, after a few weeks went by the Holy Spirit moved me to search the word and see what the Lord says about this situation. Paul, the Lord says that if thy brother tresspass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him ALONE so that you may win him. If he will not her thee then take with thee one or two more, etc,etc{Matt 18:15-17}. The Lord also says, Not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing: but contrariwise blessing; knowing that ye are thereunto called, that ye should inherit a blessing(1Pet3:9). Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not(Rom12:14)Death & life are in the power of the tongue. Behold the tonue is a fire world of iniquity: so is the tongue among OUR members. Out of the same tongue proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethern this shall NOT ought to be(James 3). I can go on and on to where the Lord took me. My point to all this is that it began to hurt me more when I realized that my brother had released such words against the Pastor(though they were true)not fearing God and what His word says about this kind of act against our members. He did not take the steps the Lord orders us to take in Matthew. Even if someone is sinning and are hyporcrites, the Lord will deal with them. Sooner or late the Lord will take care of it…”That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified”.
Paul, don’t you believe that God sees all these things;that He will not be mocked! We need to be careful not to take on the job of the Lord. We need to put ALL our trust in the Lord and in the Lord alone. I’m not saying that what you said anot Hogan is true or a false. I’m just giving a warning with love. Please get before God about what’s in your heart toward your brotheren; that there be not a root of bittners that will cause you to be defiled. Regardless of what Hogan is doing, you ought to pray that the Lord would convict his heart and cause him to repent, but you are to love thy brother as Jesus loves us all. Remeber, we all fall short.
April 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
I agree with Mr. Ferree; I’m sure we can find someone that will have something negative to say about us or all our leaders. Paul, I don’t agree with all of the “Ministries” out there today, or follow their teachings. If you ask me, I believe the church today is way off of what God’s church is suppose to be, therefore, I pray for the true church of Acts to come forth.The Lord warns us that many will be decieved in these last days…this is why we must keep our eyes on Him and do ALL He commands so that in that day we are found with pure heart & clean hands. I serve the Lord with my whole heart and teach others to know the Word and live by the Word. Nevertheless, in my early walk with the Lord I can say that much of Hogan’s videos enpired me to be radical and unashamed of my Lord. To go forth at whatever the cost for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and for that I am grateful.
Be blessed Brothers.
April 18th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
Paul, you seem very sincere and I really appreciate your kindness and time you’ve spent talking with me. You are certainly not like the other Hogan bashers, and I do not doubt that you worked in Mexico. Also, some of those things you said I wouldn’t be suprised if they were true. I’ve listened to enough audio messages without knowing him to realize he’s probably not the most pleasant guy to work with.
Here’s what it all boils down to for me…David Hogan could be a liar in all the stories he tells, but one thing is for sure, the gospel he preaches, whether he lives up to it himself or not, is true. Take away all the stories and claims and take away him, the gospel is real and genuine and if he isn’t living up to his own claims, someone should. He could be lying about every single miracle, dead raising, persecution, lifestyle, etc., but what he is saying is true, we need to be living like he talks (whether he is or not). Can we agree on that?
I’m sure it’s difficult for you to separate the man from the message since you were so closely involved.
I wouldn’t be where I am today (this site wouldn’t be here at all) if I hadn’t listened to his gospel. Hogan can come or go, but I’ve got a genuine foundation on the gospel thanks to (though not only because) of David Hogan.
I actually have an audio clip of Paul Brill sharing a testimony that I’ll put up soon. Is he still working in Mexico? I assume he doesn’t have a website or any other audio online, but if he does let me know because I definitely loved the testimony he gave.
Paul, are you still a missionary? What has happened since you left Mexico? Where are you now?
BTW, how did you find this website anyway?
And thank you Merari for commenting. Are you doing “mission work”, you said you were called to the field, what’s your story…feel free to email me paulferree@gmail.com, I’d love to hear about it!
Paul Ferree
(this 2 Paul’s thing is making it tough for other readers I bet!)
April 19th, 2007 at 6:03 am
It is probably more confusing (2 Pauls) because we are also talking about Paul Brill.
I will not tell who I am or where I am or what I do. If my wife knew I even mentioned anything about David she would not be able to sleep at night. I don’t know what would happen, but I just don’t care to find out.
I like to listen to what the guys at Freedom Ministries are saying from time to time. I am still in contact with some of his people, but David doesn’t know about it. I wanted to listen to what they are saying about their work. It was falling apart with church splits and desertions when I left. The church attendance dropped remarkably when I was there. I just wanted to hear him talk about how things are “exploding”. I didn’t hear him say anything about numbers in recent tapes though.
To Merari: I think it is sad how the Church responds to missionaries who come back with bad testimony about David. I do not have bitterness toward David. I do not spend my time bashing him. I probably should spend more time telling pastors what he does. I am not being unloving or mocking in what I am saying. I do not wish ill on him. I am not standing in the Lord’s position in what I am saying. I feel really bad for the missionaries who go down there to Mexico and are destroyed. I am saying that are absolutely wiped out when they leave. Most of them never recover. If you knew the stories you would know why I felt it a duty to mention what I have said to you guys. I don’t talk about this stuff all over the internet. My heart just sank when I heard about all these young guys who wanted to work under David. You have NO IDEA what you are in for.
It is not so much that David is hard to work for. He is hard to work for. He and his family do no work and then go around parading themselves like gods. The young people who come down are always the most excited people about serving God. Hogan takes all their love and zeal and instead of nurturing this, he totally screws them over emotionally and financially. If I was so overcome with love to stop people from ruining their marriages, finances, and spiritual lives, does this make me evil? Be careful you know what motive someone is being moved by before you bring such an accusation. I assure you I am not being flippant.
Preaching is 99% living and 1% speaking. We should be far more concerned with whether something is accurate and honest than what the effects are. I assure you that you can do far more good with the teaching of Jonathan Edwards and Charles Finney than you can with David Hogan. We need to be really careful about who we endorse. One person might not be effected much by hearing a minister is fallen. Another brother might get real worked up over it. It is similar to how we treat alcohol. If our brothers stumble because of our liberties we are taking then we are not loving the body of Christ. That is another reason to not support David. If we endorse solid leaders we will protect the flock. It is our absolute duty to endorse only those we can do so in good faith.
April 19th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Paul:
First, I ask that you forgive me if I didn’t communicate myself well enough.I never meant that you were mocking God or Hogan. What I said was that nothing goes unnoticed in His eyes and so if Hogan is who you say he is, then the Lord will take care of it in His time. I do know and can testify that a house divided against itself will not stand. I was not disagreeing with the things you said or whether they were true or false. I simply wanted to share what the word of God says we should do in these situations. I agree that we should be more concerned with accuracy & honesty. I don’t want to walk in anything else but the truth. However, the truth is in Jesus and so I rely on Him to reveal & confirm those things to me.
I have heard many ugly testimonies from missionaries regarding their assignments. It grieves my spirit that the “church” does not do a better job of researching these people/places before sending their team. I’m deeply sorry that your experience with Hogan was a disappointment and I pray that I would never have to go through that. My call is to the mission field so I am certainly not shrugging off what you have said and have been praying about it since. Again, I apologize if that’s the impression I gave you. I was just passing on what the Lord taught me through my time of leadership disappointment. To sum up all I initially said: Though what we went through was real and have every right to be angry. God wants us to examine our hearts and motives when before telling others. And the most important lesson for me was: Do we ask the Lord if that’s what He wants us to do?
I thank you for your recommendations of teachings above. I will certainly look into that. I’ll be honest, I have seen so much bad & ugly in the church, that I’ve lost a desire to listen to preachers, teachers, etc and just been focusing on the Word.
I love you my brother. I pray that you & your wife have healed. I’m sure the Lord had a purpose for all that you endured. May God bless.
Mr. Ferree: I did some work in Costa Rica which was such a blessing. However, I’m working in my area (Florida). I join up with with sisters & brothers in Christ in the weekends and set up tents in the corners of the worst parts of Miami(Liberty City). My hearts desire is to do more work in 3rd world, but I’m waiting on the Lord. The church I’m currectly with does not have a “missinary ministry” only an outreach witch I joined, but I just dont feel satisfied so I’m praying about this. I would appreciate your prayers in this area.
God belss you my brother!
April 19th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
What really helped me in my Christian walk was studying logic and epistemology. You guys should check out William Lane Craig on the Veritas forum. I have been showing people the Cosmological argument. This month I saw two hard core atheists get saved. When sinners see that you take the time to carefully think through your arguments, they respect you as a person who came to the knowledge of God because you wanted to know truth.
If you can take a logic class at a community college I think you will find it worth more than Bible college because you can start thinking for yourself in ways that were not possible before. Remember the two greatest revivalists in American history are also famous philosophers. Jonathan Edwards and Charles Finney brought conviction to men’s minds because they knew logic. I have found it to be immeasureably successful. One of the brightest professors at my University actually accepted Christ last year. He was an atheist. Now he is glowing. He has even created a modal cosmological argument for God’s existence.
I never understood what made Finney so different from the rest of the scholars who go to seminary. It is first prayer, but it is absolutely essential that we master fundamental principles of philosophy in order to bring about the intellectual conviction of minds. If anyone doubts what I am saying just listen to Finney say it time and time again. Half a million souls.
April 20th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Thank you my Brother. If that works for you, to God be the glory. Eduacation is great and I’m all for it, but as for me, I will stick with the Word of God and allow the Holy Spirit to do the convicting of mens “hearts”. You said men will respect me because I took the time to think my agrument through. I don’t want to lean on my own understanding and argue with intellect. I gave up my rights to think for myself when I accepted Jesus Christ as Lord of my life. I rely on the knowledge of God who is Omniscient. I rely on his spirit of discernment to know what a certain man is thinking and needs that day. Yes, we need to renew our minds but not to learn how men think…to know how God thinks. Brother, God said this to me: “I AM doing a thing that is beyond mans 5 physicial senses”. And I responded: “Your class is the only one I want to attend for now on”. What God is getting ready to do on earth, is beyond mans understanding, control or reason. He is calling a people that will drop EVERYTHING; all they’ve learned, know and have to follow Him. In these last days, men will not follow you becuase of how much you know or how well you can argue. We are dealing a desperate world that is dieing; they want to see signs and wonders. They are going to ask what can your God do for me? The only thing people are going to want to know is: Are you a carrier of His glory? Do you have what I need to survive?
I love you my brother. May Gods love cover you and the peace of Christ that passeth all understanding be upon you.
Merari R. Miller
April 21st, 2007 at 3:55 am
Merari you are terribly confused. It is really sad to see such confusion so prevalent in the Church. If you read Paul you will find a man who is fully aware of the fundamentals of logic. It was always a given until around the late nineteenth century. The reason why the churches are so confused is that they have a strange debilitating cognitive disorder which no other generation had. They actually hate reason. You may not realize it but this is clearly you.
When I say I study logic, it was not meant to be “just for some” or “what works for me” or “you have your truth I have mine”. God made man rational animals so that they can have fellowship with Him. The very rationality which enables us to understand logic is the same which enables us to be rational agents.
You say that you will stick to the “Word of God and the Holy Spirit” to do the convicting of men’s hearts. Of course this is what we have to do, but not being a confused person who has no clue what they are saying is not logically exclusive to the Holy Spirit and His Word. On the contrary to reject such clear thinking is to be in conflict with God’s Spirit. Confused people can not know truth. God can not use confused words to convict men’s hearts, because truth has a content which must be conveyed with logically consistent and clear words. Anything else is false emotionalism. Proper emotions must flow from rational thoughts.
I do not study logic so that humans will think I am cool. There is a proper respect which is respect for the epistemic process which a person adheres. If someone knows you are an exemplar model of a person who properly forms beliefs, they will know that your beliefs are trust worthy. Furthermore you will be able to explain these beliefs in a way that will shine light on their souls. If this was not the case then the Gospel would not necessitate the preaching of men.
Furthermore, you do not have access to the full knowledge which God has. It should be obvious that you do not even have access to a fraction of the knowledge which men find accessible. The Holy Spirit is hindered greatly by the ignorance of his servants. No sound teaching can be given by ignorant men. I will also point out that although the Pharisees accused the disciples of being “unlearned”, the truth is that the disciples were extremely well taught by Christ. Furthermore it is clear that the average Christian is a million miles away from where these men were intellectually.
April 21st, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Like I said, if that works for you, to God be the glory. I’m actually glad we had this conversation. The Lord said “test the spirits to know if they proceed from Me”. It’s amazing that you have no idea what you even wrote above regarding the Pharisees accusing the disciples of being “unlearned”, because that’s exactly the scripture the Lord gave me yesterday and its what you reminded of; a Pharisee accusing me of being “unlearned”, but the battle is the Lords and I know what I’m wrestling against.
Now, this can go on & on but I can see where they enemy wants to take this so I won’t. First,I saw all I needed, and will not waste my time. Second, This is a forum set for “David Hogan” reviews so lets not be disrespect to brother Ferree…
May God bless you & deliver you brother Paul.
Brother Ferree: Please forgive me if I’ve trespassed you in any way with my recent postings. I really appreciate you and all the work you are doing for the kingdom of God. I just took a look at your website. What a beautiful family the good Lord has given you! I lift you up and pray that God open
doors for you that no man can shut. That He gives you the wisdom with discernment for those deals that are coming your way. I pray for favor to be upon you & your family; that everything you touch prospers. Most of all, I ask the Lord for devine health, peace and joy upon your entire household in the mighty name of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen
April 22nd, 2007 at 8:39 pm
I am not Paul Brill. I do not have a website.
I am not saying you need to learn Greek and Hebrew. I did not say you have to study science and math. I just said take a course on basic logic and epistemology. I think you will be amazed at how it enables you to think for yourself. God made man a rational being and logic is the fundamental need of our minds just as water is for the body. Of course this does not mean we through out the Word or the Holy Spirit any more than you drinking water is the rejection of God. There are all sorts of needs for basic life and an understanding of how to construct good arguments and clear up clouded thinking is so important.
The real harm in following David Hogan is that you get this great excitement, but you do not get solid teaching. I remember the feeling of power being down there. I did feel God’s power, but I also got sidetracked by pride. The only way to God is the David Brainerd way. It is the same road that Paul, Leonard Ravenhill, and Adoniram Judson took. It is not the road that Hogan will put you on. You will drift away from God without realizing it.
By the way, a person who gives every last dime they have to poor people in Mexico, and sincerely wishes nothing but good will to all can hardly be said to be a Pharisee. We really need to be slow and methodical about properly judging.
April 24th, 2007 at 2:58 am
Brother Paul,
There are some things that I wonder about what you said. In the last year I have met about 5
people that have worked with David Hogan. One guy has worked with him for two years and
doesn’t anymore but in all my conversations with him he never noticed anything like what you
were saying. Another lady worked with him for three years and didn’t see those things. One of
teachers at my bible college spent a summer with freedom ministries and really verified the work.
And another teacher also went down to visit the work and didn’t notice anything awry. A girl from
my school did try to do an internship there but got sent back after a month because she wasn’t
disciplined enough. So I know it’s intense but from everything I’ve heard about them I’ve never
heard anything that comes close to the kind of things you are saying.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:39 pm
First of all I was in way deeper than most who go down for a couple years. I know people who were down there before Hogan and who worked with him before and after. Hogan has all sorts of levels to him which he shows depending upon who is around.
I know the professor you are talking about. He knows all about it but won’t say. I told him all about it and asked him to keep it to himself unless God told him otherwise.
The women get put in the office near Texas. They don’t put the women in Mexico preaching. That woman spent time on the ranch feeding animals and doing office work. Women do absolutely no ministering other than an occasional prayer during campaign times.
Absolutely everything I have said is 100% truth. Anyone who has been down in the work knows what I am saying is true. However, almost no one is going to say anything about it who was a full time missionary. The only ones who will see this side of Hogan are MEN (or wives of the men)who are full time workers. So the ladies who went down would not have seen it. The teachers who go down there will definitely never see it. Hogan can’t afford to let that side of him be shown to them.
You have to realize that when a guest comes down, it is for a specific reason which will help Hogan in some way. They have every plan scripted. I am not joking. They actually have a play of sorts which they run through. It is all about molding a result in the person. If you had seen the stuff I saw your jaw would just drop. If you don’t believe me then go be a full time missionary.
April 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Merari, there is no need to apologize. Feel free to comment as you want.
I’ve already made my stance on the subject quite clear regarding David Hogan, other people can chime in as they wish. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
In response to the whole “learning” debate you guys have going on…I will say Paul that David Hogan’s teachings helped me get out of the pride of knowledge and into the prayer closet. I had a real problem with being a doctrine junky and a “bible deist” as Jack Deere said in his first book. In my exposure to Hogan he has only furthered my relationship with the Lord. But that’s just me.
God will use whichever method or man available to get His kingdom here on earth, for some it may be one route and another for others. The Lord isn’t interested in methods, He’s interested in Kingdom propigation. In my opinion at least.
Thanks for all your input guys, keep it up if you’d like.
Paul Ferree
April 24th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Paul I do have one quick question…when you said David only spent 2 weeks in Mexico…what does that mean? Is this over the course of your 2 years?
Paul Ferree
April 26th, 2007 at 1:15 am
I have read each one of your posts and they were very sincere, loving, and shows that each of you are at a certain point of spiritual growth, and are young in your walk.
I saw Mr. Hogan for the first time Monday night in Atlanta, Ga. He showed pictures of the ministry in Mexico, and told stories of the conquests that God had done. I was impressed. So I listened to a tape of his.
Each one of you made very constructive posts , and having been where the young man was, having been hurt eight (8) yrs ago and left the ministry because of the hypocrisy I found. I was very hurt for many years and you sir have a right to tell of the hurt and disappointment that you went through, for it is the Holy Spirit working in you to heal you and to replace that template of hurt for deciding to put your trust in men for I too was there, and it took time, because people are afraid to speak out against hypocrisy. Yet the Holy Spirit if you want will heal you and your wife in due time!
I understand about taking a step out of and into something that will enhance YOUR understanding. So keep on learning. The Holy Spirit wants to stop quoting the word and become the Word in action. So bless you!
My sister, you have a sweet spirit, and as you go through life, you will have some adversities, that may change your perspective about stepping out your comfort zone, and to step out of the boat! For when Yeshua (Jesus) was in Jerusalem, and his mother was about to go home and could not find him she returned and found him where? But you keep your faith in the place you have it right now, and let the Holy Spirit guide you! But Jesus said: “Go ye into all the world”.
And for the brother who has this website, thank you. I listened to David Monday and in all my learning the Holy Spirit showed me how simple the Gospel is! I will also listen to your tape that you have for it is the teaching not the person that I was looking for. When I saw David, I knew that the man he portrayed in the pulpit was and was not him at all times, knew also he was coarse in language, still had ways of the world, yet we all have things the Holy Spirit has to work out of us! Like Gamaliel told the council in (Act 5:39) “But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.”
So I learned to trust God. I have read other posts from people who did not even know David yet only seen or heard of him, say real judgmental things about him, yet this young man only spoke what he witnessed. And having been in his position I know he could not make up things that he stated.
I do not know if what all David said is true about the healings, because I am not there, I have seen them, and even in my prayers the Holy Spirit used me. God is sovereign and He can do and use whomever he wish to get His message out. There are examples all over the Bible that shows that statement is true.
I will listen to the tape you have posted because it makes me want to go. I Say unto you it is not by might nor by power but by my spirit saith the Lord!
April 26th, 2007 at 4:32 am
Thanks for your thoughts Richard. Where in Atlanta did you see David? Was it at Northgate?
Paul
July 11th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
Paul, the one who actually worked with David Hogan, can you please contact me. The church I am currently attending is getting caught up with David Hogan. I totally believe in miracles and God’s power, but David Hogan’s claims (that no one has ever seen or is willing to back up at this speaking events) are so blatantly false it verges on mockery of God’s real power.
I’ve heard him claim that he PHYSICALLY decapitated a demon (um, ok), that david hogan fasted for 9 months straight, that the Holy Spirit anointed his SUV to drive under water like a submarine, that a demon was physically yanking out his son’s intestines, etc. etc.
These are nothing but tall tales that attempt to make the miraculous mundane, to give him the authority to control people and negate sincere believer’s walk with God. I fear for the people getting caught up in this. I would really love to get in contact with you Paul to further some research on David Hogan for my friends. Have you read Personal Freedom Ministries analysis of David Hogan? I would like to know your thoughts on it.
You can contact me through my blog or at
beautiaful@aol.com
July 12th, 2007 at 1:21 am
Tia,
Thanks for stopping by. I understand that you want to talk to the “other” Paul. But I wanted to just reply if I could.
Have you listened to many of David Hogan’s messages yourself? You’ll get a much better perspective and context if you do that rather than taking another person’s word for it. (If you haven’t already done so)
http://www.howtobecomeamissionary.com/david-hogan-mp3-audio-quotes/ has some little snippets.
I’ve read the PFO analysis quite a few times and it seems to take the messages from the “Faith To Raise The Dead” series for it’s material. There are hundreds of hours of David’s messages available online to get a more complete context of where David comes from.
I wonder why people get angry at current testimonies of God’s power but they easily accept Jesus walking on water like it was a normal occurance.
Anyway, thanks for stopping by and I hope that you can take an honest look at David’s messages for yourself before you go around trying to “fix” everybody else.
Paul
July 20th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
I just finished reading through this thread. This is the first time anywhere I have heard people speak from a sincere heart. While I disagree with some and agree with others, I have a unique perspective because I am related to him and I have been down in Mexico. I not only know Brother David, but I know his entire family. I have been to the family reunion and speak regularly with family. I spent only a few months in Mexico after I had completed MTI, but had been in several meetings with Bro. David preaching in various churches and know the pastors personaly who vouch for him. In fact, my pastor was the one who prayed for him to receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. I have been inside his house in Brownsville, Tx. I have been to his house in Mexico & gotten up at 4am to pray & workout. I have seen his huge dog Jake (catahoula Cur sp?). During my time down there I have seen him around visitors & I have seen him around nothing but family (Jody, Shawn & others)
I say all of that to offer my impression and what I have seen personally…
negative first
Yes Bro. David doesn’t believe a woman should preach or be in a place of authority over a man. He has never hid that from anyone I know, but he backs it with what Paul wrote. (right or wrong)
Yes. He is very aggressive & at times I have heard coarse language, not on a large scale BUT I NEVER once heard him use the Lord’s name in vain even when he was aggrevated because work on the ranch had not gotten done and people didn’t do what they said they were going to do and no visitors were down there in that small closed conversation.
Yes. He is aggrivated with most American Christians and yes I have never heard him hide that opinion. I have heard the story about him meeting Pat Robertson. He does classify everything not of God as a devil, which may be extreme.
I have been in the pray meetings in the early morning where the only people there were his immediate family. Yes he does curse & rebuke the demons attacking the work.
POSITIVE (always last)
One reason he got so aggrivated at the church in America was after he came back testifying about God raising the dead most of the churches dropped their support of him. In fact, it was family and a few others who supported him. I remember when I was only a young boy his family stayed with us when a mission conference was in town because they didn’t have money to stay anywhere else. I do know that they have had incredible hardships at least many years ago because we would get a call from family asking us to pray. I have seen him so sick he could hardly stand because different diseases from the jungle had attacked him, but he still went & preached.
Morning after morning I remember getting up in the morning & praying. Some mornings it was a prayer, workout & go to work or jungle. I have seen the same morning prayer & the Holy Spirit come so strong into the room that I couldn’t get out of my chair. Nobody walked up laying hands on me, nobody was even near me, but the Holy Spirit rushed into that room in power and it was God regardless of what people think.
A lot of the time I was there I was busy doing manual hard knuckle work building that ranch. I remember having a pig roast and spent most of my time working and not just enjoying the day, but I can also vouch for many of the churches I went to. I met indians who loved & trusted brother david. I was in services with him there & I was in services that he wasn’t there.
I hiked 4 hours with Jody (his oldest) through a mountain side to get into a village & preach the Gospel. I only knew a small amount of the language, but in several of the meetings the power of God was there. I met indians who told me of a miracle happening in there life or how there church got started by a supernatural miracle, but no I did not witness a dead raising only met people or indian pastors who claimed they were. One might say that David told the indian to lie to me even though David wasn’t present or any other visitors, but I just DON’T believe that was the case.
Yes a lot of there services are similiar to really powerful American charismatic services if there have been any, but I have seen the power come down in those services without any emotional hype just reading scripture.
I spent a great deal of time with his son Jody who is the same age as me while there. He seems much more approachable and very humble. You get zero hype from him, but you do get very solid truth…While his stories aren’t nearly as exciting as what Bro. David tells it shows a geniune heart for the people and that miracles do happen.
WhenI was down there he was in Mexico the entire time I was there. The only time He left was when he headed for a trip to Brazil to preach.
All in all my short trip to Mexico was good, but not at all what I expected. My hope was to see dead raisings, tumors droping off and all the other signs, but God had different plans. I believe God sent me down there to see what it was like to work the harvest fields. What I got was hardcore training. I became more resolved & persistant with God. I may not agree with everything and may not understand it all, but I will say it was a challenge and a test. I know Bro. David test people and I know at times my naturally aggressive natural would stand my ground. To me it felt as though iron sharpened iron. I would warn anybody who is easily offended or carries there feelings on their shoulder to not go down there because they will be hurt. At the same time if you are stedfast in the fast & don’t take offense you will grow. Every situation is what you make out of it.
It is high time the church of America stopped looking to an individual to get there blessing from God. The one thing I learned from down there is if you want something for God YOU have to go & YOU have to seek God regardless of the circumstances.
Whatever insults do occur down there or offenses have taken place is NO different than what I have seen or experienced from churches in America. God has allowed me to preach in meetings that the power of God came so strong that 70% of the congregation began weeping and crying out to God, yet a week later we would be in crisis and the only help we would get was being told ” if you were really walking with God you wouldn’t be in that situation and the church washed there hands of me” The good news we trusted God and Jesus replaced 8 inches of my wife’s colon that the doctor had taken out. We have CT scans before surgery, after surgery & 6 months later. Regardless, God can heal and do it and he will often use imperect vessels. It has nothing to do with the man, but like someone else said YOU must keep your eyes on JEsus…It is the only way! Don’t chase superstars live as a son of the most high God…
www.suddenministry.com
October 9th, 2007 at 3:41 am
This is more of a reply to the comments by Paul several months ago, I know this is far later than that conversation. I am also a missionary, I have been preaching the name of Jesus to Guaymi Indians in Panama and in other places in the world some years now, I met Brother Hogan personally and regardless of how human and flawed he may possibly be from what Paul said, when I spoke with Brother Hogan that conversation changed my life forever, and I could hear the voice of God in what he said. Also, be careful how you judge someone, the Bible says that we have no right to do so and only God knows Brother Hogan’s heart. Lastly, it was mentioned in an obviously negative way that Brother Hogan is very wealthy, there is nothing wrong with being wealthy at all, as a matter of fact in the Bible it is a sign of blessing from God. So be careful how you judge, you may find yourself standing before God one day and realize how wrong you were.
October 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
well I came here because I heard an audio file that was somewhat inspiring, but seemed like Mr. Hogan wasn’t being entirely honest by his voice patterns, it was as if he was making the story up as he went along. This is the fallacy of pious fraud… anyway…
I’ve seen men of God attacked by lying and/or controlling Jezebel’s before, and I’ve seen men of “the church” living in total hypocrisy before. None of this takes away from Christ Jesus who saw it all happening before hand. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead and God raised Jesus from the dead. There have been others reportedly raised from the dead, I know the pastor who married my wife and I, her dad once prayed for someone declared dead and he rose from the dead. There is a movie with nurses witness testimony of a baby girl that was dead for a very long time and returned here: http://www.FreeCDTracts.com/testimony/deadbabylives.htm
if there is no more power than our pathetic American churches in Mexico, then they need to repent on their faces as do we. I’ve seen how God moves in a much different way as soon as you start to minister in other countries and it is a marvelous thing. If David Hogan is as evil as described above, I pray that God removes him and his demonic deceptions from this earth right away, if not, then I pray that those lying and saying his testimonies are fraudulent be removed right away. Now, perhaps God will raise the guilty party from the dead newly repentant, He can do it afterall.
In Jesus name, amen.
March 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
This guy is a total fraud. I was recruited by their group and spent time with them in Mexico. I watched their bogus “miracles” and they tried to get me to go along with it.
I have to give it to him though. He has found a way to get the idiot churches in America to support him.
Way to go! Pharisee.
March 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 am
WOW! I can see now why the enemy is not concerned with the church anymore…he don’t need to be since we do a pretty good job at destroying ourselves!! What a shame…
There are too many people (I’m careful on who I call my Brother or Sister these days) going around talking about this one and that one, whose doing, and whose not. Whose right and whose wrong. Atleast someone (HOGAN) is DOING SOMETHING!!We all have flaws and are made righteous ONLY in Jesus. Whichever of you are without sin, then you cast the first stone!! Have we forgotten that those whom put their tongue on the ANY Leaders will be cursed and so their families shall also be cursed…Just ask Miriam; Moses sister. We must take the log out of our own eye before trying to take the one out of anothers.
As I had mention in my writtings several months ago-God will not be mocked and if there’s anything Hogan is doing that is unrighteous, then its God who will judge him. The Lord will leave no stones unturned! I’m sure you can agree with that since so many preachers have been exposed…who do you think allow that and why?
The Lord said that in the last days only those who are pure at heart and have clean hands will ascend…therefore, I would be careful about making all these horrible comments; having these types of thoughts about another. They are not of God and are not pure thoughts…I would be more concerned on whether you’re making it IN or are you one ofthem that will make Jesus want to vomit you out? Regardless of what you think about Hogan; He is still a child of God and He does not love Hogan any less then you. Our duty is to pray for him not bash, gossip and tear a brother down. Pray for anything that’s not of God would just die & dry up in him, so that the pure whole Gospel can be continuosly preach to those Indians.
JESUS Help us! I thought We have the world to worry about…
April 15th, 2008 at 5:23 am
I have seen David Hogan and know others who have been to Mexico to work in his mission. I believe that he lies, but that he and those who are party to the lies believe it is for the greater good. I have no proof of this, but, then again, he has no proof of any of the supposed miracles that he has performed.
May 5th, 2008 at 2:17 am
I know Paul Brill, I Greg and his family, I know many missionaries who worked under David Hogan. And they are all honest, sincere, Jesus loving, brother helping people, and all had differences with David Hogan. I also know many, many christian (missionaries) marriages that were destroyed
while working under him. I do know that he demands that the male missionaries control their wives and David demands that the husband PUNISH his wife if she does not do as he instructs, and that the wives must do exercise as punishment. He steam rolls over women and has crushed many many people. STAY AWAY!